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WHITE DOBERMANS: With all due respect for the Doberman Pinscher Club of America (DPCA) I am well aware of their position regarding "white"/"albino" 'z' factored Dobermans,and As responsible breeder and 'dog-lover' I have decided to own and breed the white. Tho I myself am breeding for the Cream color. The Cream Dobermans do have pigment in there coat. Myself and fellow breeders have found them to be the 5th color of Doberman not 'albino' every bit the loving"Doberman" as the other colors (black, red, fawn &blue). We have not encountered the issues presented by the Club members.I believe the buyer should decide for their self. As does the DPCA have a right to their opinions, to a potential buyer with questions regarding white dobermans, or Cream Dobermans please review the opinions of the DPCA or feel free to ask me or any of the Quality Cream/ White Breeders about there experiences with the Cream/White Dobermans.
There is a Club for the White Dobermans, it is called the Doberman Pinscher Alliance of America or DPAA
the DPAA is for all 5 colors not just white and you don't have to own a white to belong. You hear people say that Whites can not be registered and they cannot show. Well they are wrong. They can be registered and they can show in many area's, And there are Champion Whites as well as Champion WZ registered dogs. DPAA Titles Her you will see some beautiful White Dobermans doing what they do best. Just like any other color Doberman.
Now the Doberman is a dog that was created from many breeds of dogs.that's not much more than 100 years old. It was developed in the late 1880's by Herr Louis Dobermann, who, as the tale goes, was a Tax Collector and Dog Catcher in his town among other things. He had many breeds at his disposal to "create" his "perfect dog". Some of the breeds used it is speculated are,The Weimaraner, the Greyhound, the Manchester Terrier, Thuringian Shepherds, German Shepherds, German Pinschers, Great Danes, German Short Haired Pointers, and early Rottweilers and French Beauceron. But it is not known for positive which all dogs were used. Just speculation. Ok lets look at these dogs, The Greyhound, originated in England introduced by USA breeders into the US gene pool around 1908, they come in many colors orange, black, white, fawn, or a roan of these colors with or without white markings. Weimaraner, originated in Germany was finally brought to America in 1929, a distinctive gray color which can range from silver to mouse-colored (beige or tan toned). The skin is flesh-toned rather than white or black. Manchester Terrier,originated in England typical color is Black & Tan, German Shepherds, come in a variety of colors including solid black, grey, brown, and yellow, tricolor (black, white, and brown or red), or sable (black and red, silver, or tan) German Pinschers ,originated in Germany in the 1600's, they come in a variety of colors also including, black with tan markings; other possible colors are red, fawn, and brown with yellow markings. Solid black and ‘salt and pepper’ varieties existed in the early 20th century.Great Danes, originated in Germany also colors were many including fawn (gold with a black mask, possible black ears and tail tip), brindle (gold with a black stripe pattern), steel blue, glossy black, ‘Harlequin’ (white with black patches), and ‘Mantle’ or ‘Boston’ (black with white muzzle, chest, and tail tip). White and blue merle Great Danes occur but are not accepted by most standards. German Short Haired Pointers, Originated in Germany resulting from careful crosses in the 17th century of the Spanish Pointer, Foxhound, Italian Pointer, and Hannover Hound. Colors are liver (dark brown) with possible white, brown, or yellow markings. Some standards allow black or black and white. Rottweilers, originated in the Roman Empire, it's colors black with brown markings with white on the chest. Beauceron originated in France, Colors can be black and tan or harlequin with patches of grey, black, and tan. Thuringian Shepherds originated in Northern and Central Germany in the 1800's which were direct descendents of wolves. (Jim in New Jersey has DOCUMENTED PROOF that MORE THAN HALF OF THE FIRST 10 SIEGER’S WERE DESCENDENTS OF WOLVES!)
Ok now that you have all these colors and coat types etc.You can see that White is in several of the breeds as well as Yellow, Gold, Silver,Salt and Pepper, Tan, and more. Who is to say that the White or Cream is not a true color???? As the Cream could be called Yellow or Gold. If these colors were used to Create the Doberman then those colors are not a defect in my book.
Stop and think about this. From what little I have been able to find in reguards to testing, If you were taken and put in a cage and poked and prodded and tested for god knows how long and probably fed just plain ole dry dog food what would your condition be. Plus there were 2 dogs that were tested,they were sisters that were inbred so what kind of results do you expect to get.And the puppies they produced were black not white. When they talk about cancer in whites they forget to tell you that 50% of all dogs die of cancer. And that is not just in the Doberman breed that is in all breeds. That was a scientific study I found on the internet. So who is kidding who. All dogs may have skin problems of some sort not just the White Doberman. I have owned Reds and Blacks that had skin issues. It is not just the Whites that may have these problems as the DPCA would like you to believe. I have owned German Shepards that had skin issue's. I once owned a St.Bernard that got hot spots. I had a Sharpei that had skin trouble. So skin problems have nothing to do with the color of the doberman only. As of July 1 2009 I have had my Creams going on 2 years and have not had one bit of trouble in skin, hair, eyes, ears or anything else.
Lysa has a wonderful page. She does genetics and has studied the doberman for many many years. In talking with her the first time I learned a lot in just the short time. She wrote an article on Debunking the DPCA. This article was published . She has also informed me that the white doberman can be shown in another country. I will have to ask again which country. But in the US they can be shown in all but Conformation. She has information on the testing and all that the DPCA did and in it it states that 2 bitche's were bred and had 17 pups all were black and tan. Now what does black and tan pups have to do with white??? They claim to have had to put most of the pups down from aggression. But these were not white pups these were black and tan. They are trying to hide who was bred to who and what all the results they supposedly came up with. I will try to get the articles and get them posted. But I ask anyone out there if you have the info that shows white were bred and whites were born and have the dates and AKC # to prove this then bring it on.. We would be more than happy to see your proof that the whites have the problems.
Another lady that has researched the Whites extensively had this posted on her website which has now been lost as geocities has gone down.But I have copied this info to a program and saved it.
I researched and read all the info I could find on the net about White Dobermans before buying my first one. There are a lot of horror stories out there but most of them are from inbred dogs if the truth be known. By Breeding in good Blood lines the White Doberman can be improved just like they do with any other dog.How do you think the Doberman was created??It was created using many dogs of different breeds.Once created they were inbred to get the same kind of dog produced. And so they had problems which is to be expected. You breed to improve using good Bloodlines and that's what we the Cream/White Breeders of this website are doing . On this page you will see some wonderful White & Cream/White Dobermans. Some with some great European CH Bloodlines, some with great American CH Bloodlines. And some great Euro/American cross CH Bloodlines. The first whites may have had problems because people had to inbreed to get the whites but over the years they have been improved upon with good Bloodlines. And inbreeding is no longer a strong factor. Not with a good breeder anyway. But beware there are breeders out there that do inbreed. And not just the whites but coloreds as well. Stay away from any inbred dog.
Some more info that I have found on Albinism comes from http://www.messybeast.com/albinism/albino-index.htm
This is some of what it tells and there are a lot of links on there page.
Albinism is due to various gene mutations that affect the production of normal pigmentation. True (amelanistic) albinos lack melanin and are white with no markings and with unpigmented pink eyes. Partial (blue-eyed) albinos have some residual pigmentation. There are various degrees of patchy albinism (piebaldism) due to localised mutations in skin cells. Temperature dependent albinos have residual colour on cooler parts of the body i.e. Siamese cats where pigment develops on the head, tail and legs, but not on the warmer parts of the body. Bluish-grey anerythristic albinos lack the red colour. Axanthic albinos lack the yellow colour. The actual colour and pattern of these animal depends on what other colours are in the pattern. Tyrosinase-negative albinos lack tyrosinase (an enzyme which synthesises melanin) in their cells; this usually produces a pale yellowish or cream animal with pink-eyes. The more common Tyrosinase Positive albino cannot synthesise melanin, but can synthesise tyrosinase, giving a fawn or lavender (platinum) colour. Leucism is often mistaken for albinism. Leucistic animals, such as white lions, are white or very pale, with dark eyes and some pigmentation, for example ghost markings. Chinchilla is sometimes mistaken for albinism, but is caused by a different mutation that affects the distribution of pigment on the hair shaft. White tigers are chinchilla. Other mutations also cause white animals; some of the animals pictured here (white peacocks) are white, but not albino. Some of the photos of white, albino and pied animals on these pages are from the early 1930s encyclopaedias "Wonders of Animal Life" (edited by J A Hammerton) and "Wonderland of Knowledge" (edited by Ernest Ogan). Some of those specimens were photographed in captivity and are now preserved in the Rothschild Zoological Museum. Up until the late 19th Century it was common practice for naturalists and explorers to shoot and preserve unusual specimens. Not till the 20th Century did photography become a practical alternative. The majority of the museum taxidermy specimens on these pages are from the Walter Rothschild Zoological Museum, Tring, England and the Natural History Museum, South Kensington, London, England.USEFUL GENETIC TERMShttp://www.messybeast.com/genetics/mutant-bigcats-terms.html
If you would like to know more about Albinism click on me
and we will jump right over there.
If you would like to know more about Dogs Coat Colors click on me
and we will run right over there.
If you really want to know a dogs true Origin then just click on me
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See some of our wonderful Creams here.
This is Thor's White Lightening. Owned by Michaelene He is 10 months old in this picture. 68# approx 25" Ancestry not fully checked yet to see how many CH lines in his background. But have traced back to the Phantom Bloodlines.His ancestor colors for 3 generations Back are Whites and Blacks No skin problems, and loves being outside.He loves laying on the deck in the sun. Just like my other dogs do. He can see out in the sun,has no problem bumping into things as some people would have you think
they do when he is out in the sun. He does squint some but so do I. As I am sure you do too. And if you watch all dogs closely they to will squint to some degree in the bright sun. Sun is hard on the nerves in the eye period,no matter what kind of animal you are.
Next is Athena's Snow Dream Owned by Michaelene She is 16 months old in this pic. Sister to Thor. She weighs in at 78# and approx 24" Ancestry not checked fully yet either.Phantom bloodlines. She loves it on the back deck and will be outside more than in sometimes. Her color is Cream/White as you can see in the picture.And the color has been deepening as she gets older. She is so dark Cream now I have people call her Blonde when they see her.
Next we have Cameo owned by Darlene .She is 28" 83# 40+CH lines in just her 7 generation pedigree.Just look at the golden
color.She is not white.
This is Sasha's Creamy White Zaria 15 months old. 66# owned by Michaelene She has Phantom Bloodlines from her Moms side
but have not tracked the dads side yet. But from his size the vet says German lines on her dads side. Her color is darkening and getting more of the cream tone to it as she gets older. She is just Gorgeous.
This is Isabella Lola Owned by Cherelyn
This is Divito Owned by Cherelyn. Devito is a beautiful Cream/White color.
This is Selene ll MijnSchatje Sunshine Moon owned by Michaelene She is 12 months old in this photo. Loves it outside. She was a cream color when born and not a white. As she is growing her color is getting more golden. Like a golden Lab. See pics of her on her own page. From birth to now. She was deeper in color at 16 weeks than my others at 6 months. Can't wait to see how dark she gets. She is a Beauty. She has been coat color tested by the U of C Davis.
The woman Becky that I have been dealing with calls her a Blond. They say ( " I have just sent results for our coat color testing for your samples. Our tests show Yogi's Sweet Sasha Blue is genetically dilute black as I would expect based on her blue color. Loki's Dream is dilute brown as I would expect based on his pictures on your web site. However the tests for these genes do not explain the blonde color of the others. As you can see there is no common type for your blonde dogs Our tests did not uncover the gene or genes responsible for the blonde color of your dogs. Becky")
So my babies are Blond according to her. And from another study this is what is said ("Sponenberg and Rothschild describe a gene they name I for Intense that dilutes only phaeomelanin. Diluted phaeomelanin colors are sometimes called cream, buff, apricot, lemon, etc. Such a gene, undoubtedly exists. However this gene has not yet been identified or even mapped in the dog")
This research can be found here. http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dogcolors.htm
This is Thor's Sweet Princess Jaslene owned by Cherelyn . She was bred by Michaelene. From Sasha and Thor. Watch her grow on her page. She is a beautiful Cream also.
This is Blue Moon and Heidi. Owner Patricia. There both Cream White.
This is MijnSchatje Phantom's Creamy Willow at 6 months old
Owned by Michaelene.
This is MijnSchatje Sweet Creamy Isis at 6 months
Owned by Michaelene
This is Cool, owned by Darlene Smith of Dar's Dobermans in Ohio.
To learn more about coat colors click on my colors
To learn more about Dog: The beginning click on the heart dogs
To learn more about Albinism just click on me
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There is a Club for the White Dobermans, it is called the Doberman Pinscher Alliance of America or DPAA
the DPAA is for all 5 colors not just white and you don't have to own a white to belong. You hear people say that Whites can not be registered and they cannot show. Well they are wrong. They can be registered and they can show in many area's, And there are Champion Whites as well as Champion WZ registered dogs. DPAA Titles Her you will see some beautiful White Dobermans doing what they do best. Just like any other color Doberman.
Now the Doberman is a dog that was created from many breeds of dogs.that's not much more than 100 years old. It was developed in the late 1880's by Herr Louis Dobermann, who, as the tale goes, was a Tax Collector and Dog Catcher in his town among other things. He had many breeds at his disposal to "create" his "perfect dog". Some of the breeds used it is speculated are,The Weimaraner, the Greyhound, the Manchester Terrier, Thuringian Shepherds, German Shepherds, German Pinschers, Great Danes, German Short Haired Pointers, and early Rottweilers and French Beauceron. But it is not known for positive which all dogs were used. Just speculation. Ok lets look at these dogs, The Greyhound, originated in England introduced by USA breeders into the US gene pool around 1908, they come in many colors orange, black, white, fawn, or a roan of these colors with or without white markings. Weimaraner, originated in Germany was finally brought to America in 1929, a distinctive gray color which can range from silver to mouse-colored (beige or tan toned). The skin is flesh-toned rather than white or black. Manchester Terrier,originated in England typical color is Black & Tan, German Shepherds, come in a variety of colors including solid black, grey, brown, and yellow, tricolor (black, white, and brown or red), or sable (black and red, silver, or tan) German Pinschers ,originated in Germany in the 1600's, they come in a variety of colors also including, black with tan markings; other possible colors are red, fawn, and brown with yellow markings. Solid black and ‘salt and pepper’ varieties existed in the early 20th century.Great Danes, originated in Germany also colors were many including fawn (gold with a black mask, possible black ears and tail tip), brindle (gold with a black stripe pattern), steel blue, glossy black, ‘Harlequin’ (white with black patches), and ‘Mantle’ or ‘Boston’ (black with white muzzle, chest, and tail tip). White and blue merle Great Danes occur but are not accepted by most standards. German Short Haired Pointers, Originated in Germany resulting from careful crosses in the 17th century of the Spanish Pointer, Foxhound, Italian Pointer, and Hannover Hound. Colors are liver (dark brown) with possible white, brown, or yellow markings. Some standards allow black or black and white. Rottweilers, originated in the Roman Empire, it's colors black with brown markings with white on the chest. Beauceron originated in France, Colors can be black and tan or harlequin with patches of grey, black, and tan. Thuringian Shepherds originated in Northern and Central Germany in the 1800's which were direct descendents of wolves. (Jim in New Jersey has DOCUMENTED PROOF that MORE THAN HALF OF THE FIRST 10 SIEGER’S WERE DESCENDENTS OF WOLVES!)
Ok now that you have all these colors and coat types etc.You can see that White is in several of the breeds as well as Yellow, Gold, Silver,Salt and Pepper, Tan, and more. Who is to say that the White or Cream is not a true color???? As the Cream could be called Yellow or Gold. If these colors were used to Create the Doberman then those colors are not a defect in my book.
Stop and think about this. From what little I have been able to find in reguards to testing, If you were taken and put in a cage and poked and prodded and tested for god knows how long and probably fed just plain ole dry dog food what would your condition be. Plus there were 2 dogs that were tested,they were sisters that were inbred so what kind of results do you expect to get.And the puppies they produced were black not white. When they talk about cancer in whites they forget to tell you that 50% of all dogs die of cancer. And that is not just in the Doberman breed that is in all breeds. That was a scientific study I found on the internet. So who is kidding who. All dogs may have skin problems of some sort not just the White Doberman. I have owned Reds and Blacks that had skin issues. It is not just the Whites that may have these problems as the DPCA would like you to believe. I have owned German Shepards that had skin issue's. I once owned a St.Bernard that got hot spots. I had a Sharpei that had skin trouble. So skin problems have nothing to do with the color of the doberman only. As of July 1 2009 I have had my Creams going on 2 years and have not had one bit of trouble in skin, hair, eyes, ears or anything else.
Lysa has a wonderful page. She does genetics and has studied the doberman for many many years. In talking with her the first time I learned a lot in just the short time. She wrote an article on Debunking the DPCA. This article was published . She has also informed me that the white doberman can be shown in another country. I will have to ask again which country. But in the US they can be shown in all but Conformation. She has information on the testing and all that the DPCA did and in it it states that 2 bitche's were bred and had 17 pups all were black and tan. Now what does black and tan pups have to do with white??? They claim to have had to put most of the pups down from aggression. But these were not white pups these were black and tan. They are trying to hide who was bred to who and what all the results they supposedly came up with. I will try to get the articles and get them posted. But I ask anyone out there if you have the info that shows white were bred and whites were born and have the dates and AKC # to prove this then bring it on.. We would be more than happy to see your proof that the whites have the problems.
It was suggested that "albino" (white) Dobermans may have a mutation in tyrosinase,since that is the cause of many types of albinism in humans and mice. However,in a recenlty completed study, the entire coding sequence of TYR was normal insuch Dobermans (GenBank AY336053) and also in blue and Isabella (fawn)Doberman Pinschers. These results suggest that the P gene may be the cause of this albinism. We did find that these same Isabella and red Dobermans were both homozygous for the TYRP1 proline deletion mutation indicating both are actually brown in base color. (As published in the PinscherPatter, Dec. 2004)
Another lady that has researched the Whites extensively had this posted on her website which has now been lost as geocities has gone down.But I have copied this info to a program and saved it.
I researched and read all the info I could find on the net about White Dobermans before buying my first one. There are a lot of horror stories out there but most of them are from inbred dogs if the truth be known. By Breeding in good Blood lines the White Doberman can be improved just like they do with any other dog.How do you think the Doberman was created??It was created using many dogs of different breeds.Once created they were inbred to get the same kind of dog produced. And so they had problems which is to be expected. You breed to improve using good Bloodlines and that's what we the Cream/White Breeders of this website are doing . On this page you will see some wonderful White & Cream/White Dobermans. Some with some great European CH Bloodlines, some with great American CH Bloodlines. And some great Euro/American cross CH Bloodlines. The first whites may have had problems because people had to inbreed to get the whites but over the years they have been improved upon with good Bloodlines. And inbreeding is no longer a strong factor. Not with a good breeder anyway. But beware there are breeders out there that do inbreed. And not just the whites but coloreds as well. Stay away from any inbred dog.
Some more info that I have found on Albinism comes from http://www.messybeast.com/albinism/albino-index.htm
This is some of what it tells and there are a lot of links on there page.
Albinism is due to various gene mutations that affect the production of normal pigmentation. True (amelanistic) albinos lack melanin and are white with no markings and with unpigmented pink eyes. Partial (blue-eyed) albinos have some residual pigmentation. There are various degrees of patchy albinism (piebaldism) due to localised mutations in skin cells. Temperature dependent albinos have residual colour on cooler parts of the body i.e. Siamese cats where pigment develops on the head, tail and legs, but not on the warmer parts of the body. Bluish-grey anerythristic albinos lack the red colour. Axanthic albinos lack the yellow colour. The actual colour and pattern of these animal depends on what other colours are in the pattern. Tyrosinase-negative albinos lack tyrosinase (an enzyme which synthesises melanin) in their cells; this usually produces a pale yellowish or cream animal with pink-eyes. The more common Tyrosinase Positive albino cannot synthesise melanin, but can synthesise tyrosinase, giving a fawn or lavender (platinum) colour. Leucism is often mistaken for albinism. Leucistic animals, such as white lions, are white or very pale, with dark eyes and some pigmentation, for example ghost markings. Chinchilla is sometimes mistaken for albinism, but is caused by a different mutation that affects the distribution of pigment on the hair shaft. White tigers are chinchilla. Other mutations also cause white animals; some of the animals pictured here (white peacocks) are white, but not albino. Some of the photos of white, albino and pied animals on these pages are from the early 1930s encyclopaedias "Wonders of Animal Life" (edited by J A Hammerton) and "Wonderland of Knowledge" (edited by Ernest Ogan). Some of those specimens were photographed in captivity and are now preserved in the Rothschild Zoological Museum. Up until the late 19th Century it was common practice for naturalists and explorers to shoot and preserve unusual specimens. Not till the 20th Century did photography become a practical alternative. The majority of the museum taxidermy specimens on these pages are from the Walter Rothschild Zoological Museum, Tring, England and the Natural History Museum, South Kensington, London, England.USEFUL GENETIC TERMShttp://www.messybeast.com/genetics/mutant-bigcats-terms.html
If you would like to know more about Albinism click on me
and we will jump right over there. If you would like to know more about Dogs Coat Colors click on me
and we will run right over there.If you really want to know a dogs true Origin then just click on me
and we will swing on over there. See some of our wonderful Creams here.
This is Thor's White Lightening. Owned by Michaelene He is 10 months old in this picture. 68# approx 25" Ancestry not fully checked yet to see how many CH lines in his background. But have traced back to the Phantom Bloodlines.His ancestor colors for 3 generations Back are Whites and Blacks No skin problems, and loves being outside.He loves laying on the deck in the sun. Just like my other dogs do. He can see out in the sun,has no problem bumping into things as some people would have you think
they do when he is out in the sun. He does squint some but so do I. As I am sure you do too. And if you watch all dogs closely they to will squint to some degree in the bright sun. Sun is hard on the nerves in the eye period,no matter what kind of animal you are.
Next is Athena's Snow Dream Owned by Michaelene She is 16 months old in this pic. Sister to Thor. She weighs in at 78# and approx 24" Ancestry not checked fully yet either.Phantom bloodlines. She loves it on the back deck and will be outside more than in sometimes. Her color is Cream/White as you can see in the picture.And the color has been deepening as she gets older. She is so dark Cream now I have people call her Blonde when they see her.
Next we have Cameo owned by Darlene .She is 28" 83# 40+CH lines in just her 7 generation pedigree.Just look at the golden
color.She is not white.
This is Sasha's Creamy White Zaria 15 months old. 66# owned by Michaelene She has Phantom Bloodlines from her Moms side
but have not tracked the dads side yet. But from his size the vet says German lines on her dads side. Her color is darkening and getting more of the cream tone to it as she gets older. She is just Gorgeous.
This is Isabella Lola Owned by Cherelyn
This is Selene ll MijnSchatje Sunshine Moon owned by Michaelene She is 12 months old in this photo. Loves it outside. She was a cream color when born and not a white. As she is growing her color is getting more golden. Like a golden Lab. See pics of her on her own page. From birth to now. She was deeper in color at 16 weeks than my others at 6 months. Can't wait to see how dark she gets. She is a Beauty. She has been coat color tested by the U of C Davis.
So my babies are Blond according to her. And from another study this is what is said ("Sponenberg and Rothschild describe a gene they name I for Intense that dilutes only phaeomelanin. Diluted phaeomelanin colors are sometimes called cream, buff, apricot, lemon, etc. Such a gene, undoubtedly exists. However this gene has not yet been identified or even mapped in the dog")
This research can be found here. http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dogcolors.htm
This is Thor's Sweet Princess Jaslene owned by Cherelyn . She was bred by Michaelene. From Sasha and Thor. Watch her grow on her page. She is a beautiful Cream also.
This is Blue Moon and Heidi. Owner Patricia. There both Cream White.
This is MijnSchatje Phantom's Creamy Willow at 6 months old
Owned by Michaelene.
This is MijnSchatje Sweet Creamy Isis at 6 months
Owned by Michaelene
This is Cool, owned by Darlene Smith of Dar's Dobermans in Ohio.
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To learn more about Dog: The beginning click on the heart dogs
To learn more about Albinism just click on me
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AS a few of you know I have been in contact with a university in Calif. That is studying the coat colors. I had contacted them about the creams because they had come up with the color of Cremello in the horse's and the color is about the same as our Cream Dobies. So I wrote them asking about there studies on the dogs and told them about our babies and there colors. We have been emailing back and forth now for a month. They asked for photo's and I sent them some of mine. Now were talking about other dogs as well. If you have a Cream Doberman, could you send me the best picture showing there color to the best advantage. I have found that the flash and bright sunlight wash's out there color So have done some evening or no flash indoor photo's to get there true color to show. I just got a request today from Becky at the university of photo's that are current as of now. So if any of you want to participate let me know and send me a good photo of your baby. If I can get testing done maybe we can prove our babies to be a totally seperate color and give them a color name. Even if the DPCA does not want to recognize them. Have a blessed day one and all.
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